Tuesday, October 10, 2017

Is stoning supported in the Bible?

2:79 So woe to those who write the book with their hands, then they say, "This is from Allah," to exchange it for a little price. So woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.

(In Christianity, it was said that Jesus abolished in the New Testament the stoning “ordered” in the Old Testament, in which a woman was not stoned after being caught in adultery (John 7:53-8:11). But that story in John 7:53-8:11 is not found in the oldest sources - It is not found in Papyrus 66 and papyrus 75 (late 100s or early 200s), nor in Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus (early/mid 300s), but it is found in a later manuscript for the first time: in Codex Bezae (400s or 500s) which was made in Europe (This is confirmed by the article “Jesus and the woman taken in adultery” in Wikipedia). So the story was invented by men (Europeans) and added to the New Testament 400 or 500 years after Jesus)(So, stoning is supported in the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 and Leviticus 24:16), and is implicitly supported in the New Testament, because according to Matthew 5:17, Jesus confirmed the Law: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them”, and according to James 2:14-26 “faith without works is dead”; and according to Matthew 23:2-3 “the teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.”; according to Acts 15:5 and 15:20, early Christians followed the Law)(Other verses in the sense of violence in the New Testament: according to Matthew 10:34, Jesus said “do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword”; according to Luke 22:36, Jesus said “And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one”; according to Luke 14:26, Jesus said “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple”; according to Luke 19:27, Jesus told a violent parable “but those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me”)(In regard to stoning, Deuteronomy 21:18-21 says “if someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.”. And Leviticus 24:16 says “anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death.”)(Allah knows best)

24:2 The adulteress/fornicatress and the adulterer/fornicator, flog each of them with hundred lashes. And (let) not withhold you pity for them concerning the religion of Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.

(In regard to Islam, the adulterers or fornicators are not sentenced to death or stoning, but to lashes)(Some non-Muslims argue that the lashes would kill them, but killing them is not explicitly said in the Qur’an, nor if lashes are all in one session, or are strong or soft, etc.)(Allah knows best)

4:15 And those who commit immorality from your women, then bring against them four witnesses from among you. And if they testify, then confine them in their houses until death comes to them or Allah makes for them a way. 4:16 And the two among you who commit it, then punish both of them. But if they repent and correct themselves, then turn away from both of them. Indeed, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most-Merciful. 4:17 The repentance accepted by Allah is only for those who do evil in ignorance, then they repent soon after. Then it is those to whom Allah will turn in forgiveness, and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

(In Verse 4:15, they are not sentenced to death, so, “until death comes to them” indicates that they are confined forever, unless they repent and correct themselves in order to get a way out (4:16))(One interpretation is that, because Verse 4:15 only refers to women, it is an immorality in which men is not involved. And Verse 4:16 uses words in masculine dual, so women is not involved. So, Chapters 4 and 24 refer to different matters. In regard to the punishment in Verses 4:15 and 4:16, there is no a different punishment for women and men because Verse 4:16 does not specify any punishment, so according to the context, it is the same punishment for men and for women (confined in their houses), because the Verses of the Qur’an complement each other. There is no mention of stoning)(So, Verses 4:15-16 include other cases, not included in verse 24:2, for example homosexuality. This is supported by Verses 27:54-55, in which homosexuality is considered an “immorality” (not “adultery or fornication”, which involves both a man and a woman). Then, according to this interpretation, the flogging is only in case of zina (adultery / fornication))(Allah knows best)

19:46 He said, "Do you hate my gods, O Abraham? Surely, if you do not desist, I will surely stone you, so leave me for a prolonged time."

(Abraham was threatened with stoning by his father. So, the disbeliever is the one who threatened with stoning, because the believer opposed the religion of his father)(Allah knows best)

36:18 They said, "Indeed, we see an evil omen from you. If you do not desist, we will surely stone you, and there will surely touch you a painful punishment from us." 36:19 They said, "Your evil omen be with you, is it because you are admonished? Nay, you are a transgressing people."

(Messengers were threatened with stoning. So, the transgressors were the ones who wanted to stone)(Allah knows best)

44:20 And indeed, I seek refuge with my Lord and your Lord, lest you stone me. 44:21 And if you do not believe me, then leave me alone."

(The Messenger was threatened with stoning)(Allah knows best)

18:20 "Indeed, if they come to know about you, they will stone you or return you to their religion. And then never will you succeed - ever."

(Muslims were threatened with stoning)(Non-Muslims were the ones who wanted to stone or force people into their religion)(There is freedom of religion in Islam)(Allah knows best)

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